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THE COURAGE TO TAKE A STAND

July 16th, 2008 · 25 Comments

 Fellow members

     I have sat and watched this unfold from the very beginning. I knew about Joan trying to withhold “DILLONS” AKC papers; luckily Mrss. Chock and Feist prevailed in that endeavor. I had been receiving information for months about the questionable dealings of “TVR”. Funny how nobody had the courage to stand up to her until Sara and Cody Bird came along. I’ve seen all the pictures from various individuals; yet NOBODY until Sara and Cody has the GUTS to stand and fight. We went and thankfully saved Jazz from what looked to be a hopelessly short; sad life.

     Funny how you, and you know who you are, could sit and cheer Sara on; yet you chose not to turn over to STATE OR FEDERAL authorities the pictures of the conditions there? Could it be you were scared? Or you just thought you could sit by and let Sara do the “GRUNTWORK” while you could keep your hands out of the mud?

     Well, now due to a technicality, TVR got only a 6 month suspension. They MUST pass an AKC inspection and pay their fine(TOTALING $1000) to be in compliance once again with AKC. If this really DISGUSTS YOU; take a stand! You don’t have to write a protest letter to AKC; If you are truly indignant over this; There are opportunities to stop her “BUSINESS AS USUAL”. Question is..DO YOU HAVE THE COURAGE? Or will you sit and wring your hands and gossip about how awful this is but DO NOTHING?

     Now for those of you that have found courage; I will reveal how to STAND UP. For those who either don’t or won’t; well you have to look at YOURSELF in the mirror, as well as answer to this in GOD’S Court!

     Last time I posted, I was subjected to personal attacks and untrue allegations. So if this comes to pass once again; save your breath! I could care less about what you think! the people who TRULY KNOW ME know I do what I say I’ll do. If you don’t want to know me; your loss.

     I hope if nothing else; those this is directed at, JAN and other like minded persons; look deep within yourself. DO THE RIGHT THING OR SHUT UP! Sara will be a puppet for nobody no longer!

A TRUE ROTTWEILER ADVOCATE

Kenny Austin

    

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25 responses so far ↓

  • 1 whoseyomammy // Jul 16, 2008 at 10:50 am

    Mr. Kenny Austin
    You have NO unfinished business dealings with either Joan or Stephanie. The “people” you are referring to, have no UNFINISHED DEALINGS with Joan or Stephanie. I have not a clue as to why you feel the need to inject yourself into this subject. From what I can determine, the only thing you’re trying to accomplish, is to start a fire, so once it gets heated enough, you can come running in to put it out, trying to make yourself look like some sort of hero. For your information, there are NO winners, there are NO heroes, just a variety of animals that are the true LOSERS. To use this platform as a means of personal gain, or to boost your ego, is very sad, and doing nothing to accomplish the goals for which we are striving. The people here want only what is rightfully due them, and what is in the best interest of the variety of animals that reside at Thunder Valley, and that being the proper care to which they are SO entitled.
    Mr. Kenny Austin, I do so hope you have a wonderful day.

  • 2 Sara Bird // Jul 16, 2008 at 1:58 pm

    unacceptable conditions, dogs and/or facility

    I feel like Kenny very much has an opinion here. Kenny was on Joan Foote’s property along side of us for a good 2 1/2 hours trying to get Jazz.

    Kenny was also in Portland after taking time off work to testify AGAINST Joan Foote and the care that was taken of the dogs on her property.

    Kenny did not go to court for Joan Foote! I think his opinion very much counts here. Joan Foote will continue to do what she has always done if nothing more is followed. The attorney general would be very interested in this case. But, it will take evryone to step forward.

    My court case just got wrapped up into a nice bow. AKC has given verification to why Joan was suspended. If the Judge rules ANIMAL CRUELTY in Oregon, the copy of the transcript will be FED EXED to AKC. Animal Cruelty is a LIFETIME Suspention. This is far from being over.

    If it does not happen this way, I will personally take evry peice of documentation to the Attorney General myself.

  • 3 connor // Jul 16, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    People, People, deep breaths. This is about the wrong doings of Stephanie Paulter and Joan Foote. It serves no purpose at all for mud slinging , everyone has the right to express themselves, yes, however no one has the right to enforce their perspective opinions on the whole. So let cut this crap out. Kenny Austin has every right to express what he witnessed or talk about his efforts to help Sara and Cody. He also has the right to express his opinions related to this matter, however he should have enough respect of others and their direct involement with Joan and Stephanie to put a harness on the platform in which he choses to express himself. Kenny, I can understand your frustrated but do you really this was the way to confront these feelings? Do you think this really helped things to continue forward in a positive manner? We all know how attached and protective you are of Sara and Cody and KUDOS to you for all you have done/are doing to help them with their TVR issues. But Dude, this does not help anyone, it just gets the bs all stirred up. We all need to be about solving problems NOT creating additional issues. Kenny, you pride yourself on your capacity for reason and the use of knowlege, right? Need I say more, come on guy this is not how issues get solved and you know it. If you have an issue with anyone of the members here, email them, call them, snail mail them if they do not respond then take them to task, but first give them a chance to respond. As for this Attorney General thing? First I have heard of it, why is that? Are we now holding back things from each other ? and if so why? Are we all not with a common goal? Help here because I am at a loss. Now I have to tell you all, I am taking the HIGH road here, for now !!! But this thing can get STREET real fast. I had to sit back and have Joan Foote F-me over and I will be damned if I will sit here and stand for this behavior, no matter whom it is pushing it . Before anyone passes judgement of another , they damn well have all the facts . That goes for all of us, no one excluded. Folks, we have her with her tail between her legs, a golden opportunity to make some real forward movement with this whole issue, this is NOT the time for in- fighting, name calling or any other like same BS. Let’s stay on point, get this thing done and then we can go back to the lives we had prior to Joan Foote and all her devious ways. We do not have to agree with one another nor do we have to like one another, but we have to respect one another or this will never work and she will walk. Think about what I am saying, all of you my fellow members. David Baker

  • 4 Sara Bird // Jul 16, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    In my own opinion a lot of people have sat back to see what was going to happen. Everyone of you have had their own reasons. I have heard everything from why bother, lets see how your case goes, I dont want to piss Joan off, I still owe her money, I have never been in court, she will only get away with it again, we dont need the headache of court…..This is only to name a few.

    I am absolutly pissed off! I have spent the last several months crying, yelling, kicking & screaming over this whole Joan Foote senarial. Well guess what everybody? I have a life as well as any of you. I have a son, a husband who is gone half of every month. We have dogs, friends and etc. that mean just as much to us. This has all been time wasted as far as I am concerned. Nobody has banded together. Or let me re-phrase. Everyone banded together to get this started. Cody & I have remained in the hot seat, with how many other law suits? I dont see anyone doing anything except talking shit!

    We have worried about Jazz. We have kicked ourselves over & over for sending the Maik daughter. I look at the 10 month old in my backyard and there is absolutly nothing we can do with her. She cant be shown, I cant give her away! Everything in our world is on hold.

    Many of you have written a post once or twice. Many of you have NEVER written anything. It is so easy to sit back and wait. Well dont come forward now either. Joan gets a slap on the wrist and you better look in your own mirrors to blame the responsible parties. I would be proud to stand up! I HAVE! I can end this whole thing with Joan Foote in a single phone call. I have not done so becouse of how important this case was for the rottweilers in her backyard.

    I will end by saying what the hell will you all do if I choose to sit down and watch as well?

    Better yet, I can expose this whole situation just as easy! I am standing here on only my 2 feet!

  • 5 connor // Jul 16, 2008 at 6:47 pm

    WTF !!! why are we doing this HERE??? Joan must be laughing her ass of right now !!!! Do we really want to do this HERE? if so lets do it !!! F it all, for real all gloves off, no saving each others feelings, no nothing lets just sit down type a bunch of slam ass kick ass comments about each other and get get over it. Sara I am sorry you have gone thru all you have, truly from my heart sorry. Now that and a couple of bucks gets you a coffee at starbucks, big f-in deal. I will file my suit against Joan Foote when I feel the time is correct, not when I am told to do it.. period. Kenny Austin needs to stay the_ F out of all this he has no business in any of it, he was there for you at Joan’s, question is HOW did you know to go to Joans? Kenny Austin told you about how your Jazz was being treated? I think not, Now know this I am not in Jans court because I have BOUGHT a dog from her this week, it due to the facts, Joan Foote stole my money, Joan Foote lied to me, Joan Foote F-ed with my emotions, why in the F am I talking about Jan K ? right now!!! Sara, end it make the call to Joan , take the deal get back to your life, do it now. So what are you really saying? As for me I am done with it, I will do what I feel is correct for my interests and my interest only? Fine so be it, David Baker

  • 6 connor // Jul 16, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    So here is the deal if you cannot help my cause or help me in any way, do not bother to contact me. I lost $1500.00 and a lot of wasted time dealing with Joan Foote and all her BS , so if you won’t send me monies or a free dog or be my fake friend or listen to my lies and my bull shit please do not bother to respond to me by email, phone or snail mail, I am in this for me and me alone , your fake friend David Baker

  • 7 connor // Jul 16, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    F with the stupid people best to leave the smart ones alone

  • 8 Sara Bird // Jul 16, 2008 at 7:25 pm

    David you missed it!

  • 9 connor // Jul 16, 2008 at 7:48 pm

    I think not, there are ways then there are ways , big question is why? I meant what I said .. David

  • 10 Sara Bird // Jul 16, 2008 at 7:54 pm

    I mean what I say as well. The ball was dropped along time ago from everyone.

    I will finish my court date for Jazz. Not for anyone else. I will answer every question that I am asked. I will not lie for anyone!

  • 11 randifeist // Jul 16, 2008 at 8:57 pm

    I have been in this from the start, trying to help in anyway that I could and I must say that for the first time in my life I am truly speechless reading all these posts. However, I will regain my composure and try to make sense of what just happened here. Sara is my dear friend, we are even closer now throughout all of this and I totally understand her frustration, her being upset, and wondering “where is everybody now?” I will not begin to jump on those that have posted, but that is also my golden question, “where is everybody now?” And why in God’s name would people turn on each other when the going gets tough? All of you have a common denominator and her name is Joan Foote. You all have your reasons for why you have chosen to either fight the fight, or drop it and run. We live in America so yes we have choices, and yes, we will do what fits us best for our own situation and will have to live with those choices, good or bad. BUT, what the HELL just happened here, I will ask this again??? We ALL came together for the love of our Rottweiler breed, to help end the horrendous conditions in which these Rotties were living in at TVR, and to help stop these hainous crooks. Is this story over? HELL NO! But because we received news that was a blow, we now decide to bail. There could still be things going on behind the scenes to stop TVR, court cases, etc. but why give up when the going gets tough? Yeah, lets all get tough and swear and go after each other, really mature and really solves a problem. My God in heaven, our own dogs do not treat each other the way some have just now done. When they are down and out, they don’t go over and kick each other making matters worse. They lay down next to the hurting one, and give kisses, asking in their language, “how can I help you in your time of need?” Our own animal friends can teach us a lot in regards to kindness and love when things are hard.
    I don’t know anything in life that comes easy, and we all knew this would be hard. What, is that a surprise to anyone? Did you think we could just stop this freight train overnight? Hell no. It takes time, banding together, and helping each other get through some pretty horrific times regarding dealings with TVR. Joan would love for all of you to give up. And maybe some of you need to if that is what you must do to preserve your sanity. But know this here and now, this fight to stop TVR HAS made a difference in the Rottie world. Don’t ever kid yourself that it has not. Are we sad that things are not the way we want them to be? Of course we are. But by God don’t turn on each other and destroy friendships that were created out of love for our Rottie breed. That would truly be an incredibly sad turn of events. Now go and do what you all must do, but remember this, you have made a difference here on this site and in the Rottie world. More than you will ever know.

  • 12 connor // Jul 16, 2008 at 8:59 pm

    Sara,my perspective, priorities, your daughters getting married, I will honor that and let it lay. Take care and best wishes to the Bride and Groom, David Baker

  • 13 connor // Jul 16, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Randi, I do not talk shit, you folks want STREET .. FOLKS we are there, Joan Foote is not gonna get over here ,she is F-ed big time, trust me. This is all about some dumb asses need for an ego boost that has brought this about. Dont get me started about what is really being said behind peoples backs, as for me if I have said it I will stand for what I have said. Hell, maybe Kenny Austin is still emailing and talking to Joan Foote and all this is his plan to help her out? Not saying that is true but hey look at what has happened before, or is it better to forget and say hey he did not show up in court against Jan, WTF had he shown up what difference would it have really made? Folks look at real facts , look at the real truth, stop bullshitting yourselves or worrying about your bruised egos. Who f-ing cares about who takes Joan to task? only an ego minded person that just has to be correct all the time. As for me all this crap make me sick . First off who in the hell is giving up? Not me, I am gonna do what needs to be done, however I will do it for me not because I was told to do it. As for all this crap, do me the favor of removing me from it. I will take care of me and mine. I will find justice in my own fashion, way and manner. End of subject, David Baker

  • 14 randifeist // Jul 16, 2008 at 10:23 pm

    David; I am not going to engage you as that is not my mission. You are pissed and go ahead and get it out. I know you don’t “talk shit” as you say, nor have you been accused of doing so. However, I am PROUD to say that I am a TVR SURVIVOR. There IS life after Joan Foote and I am living proof of that. It was my choice to come on this forum and try and help others, but somehow, someway, people are losing sight of why we really are all here! Many have NOT given up which is awesome, but WHY attack each other? Get real. Street or not, we are ALL human beings with a certain amount of BRAINS and we were taught from a young age how to get along and how to solve problems. My son was over in Iraq, he can tell you all about STREET and what that word really means. But he did not lose his focus or mission or turn on his fellow comrades when things became tough. He is alive today because of it. THAT is the point I am getting at. Who cares if someone has an ego or wants to be right? Who really cares, especially when the dust settles. We all came together for ONE reason, and that reason has been stated time and time again. Yes, it can be the end of subject for you, David, and you have that right and I believe you have not given up. But lighten up. You have always been level headed from day one. Not sure of your thought process at this point but that is your deal. Fed up? I am sure you are, but so are many. But as for many, it is not the end of subject for them and they will post on this forum, share their stories, their feelings, and try to gain some comfort or knowledge from others that are going through the same ordeal.

  • 15 connor // Jul 17, 2008 at 5:51 am

    Who said I was giving up, not me . I am not fed up or have I given up, I am not upset over the fact Joan only got 6 months of Suspension nor am I pissed off about that very same fact. I am pissed off when people talk out of the sides of their perspective mouths, if your going to call someone on something DO IT! Stop playing all the games!!! Just do it or leave it alone!!! KUDOS to your son and his service to this great country, Kudos to his commitment to his fellow band of brothers, I take my hat off to him, however Randi we are NOT a band of brothers with our lives on the line, in a different country or culture, seeing God knows what and watching our brotherhood die or be maimed right next to one another. I will not dishonor these soldiers /heros by using them as analogies to make my points. If this post was about motivating others to act or better yet to call a member out for inaction, do you think this was the way to do it? I think not. , it was petty and self serving. Perhaps this was a good thing , due to the fact it will now bring all the buried, hidden REAL feelings we all have towards one another. Who really gives a shit about Joan Foote, she will go down, how ? by her own undoing, by her own hand. She was in court by these same actions , not anything that was done here or by any TVR victims, she was passing bad checks, her bad yes but nothing we had a part of. In my first responce to this post I was attempting to make a point to quiet the waters if you will, I was trying to take the high road and asking that all my fellow members do the same, I was ignored. I am true to my nature and true to my word. Randi re-read your last comment , then ask yourself what was it you were really trying to say? Do not react to one part of a complex responce to the issue at large, this post and it purpose. I am absolutly as you say “level headed” , my thought process is crystal clear, I am not a quitter never have been, I have lost sight of nothing, nada. No one needs to scratch me to see what is really under my skin. David Baker

  • 16 connor // Jul 17, 2008 at 5:58 am

    OHHH and by the way Joan and Stephanie, prepare yourselves. You may be amused by all this banter, big question is who/whom is gonna get the last laugh.

  • 17 randifeist // Jul 17, 2008 at 7:35 am

    I knew that I would be waking up to your insults David, but save them, you cannot seem to “see the forest for the trees”. I will make a couple comments then I am finished “bantering” with you. Read my previous post, I said and I quote, “I believe you have not given up” so get over yourself. And by your own admission, you said, “As for me, I am done with it”. What is one to assume you are saying? I gave you the benefit of the doubt, have never questioned your motives, integrity, or charactor at any time during this whole mess, nor will I now. I just want everyone to QUIT FIGHTING! There is NOTHING wrong with that! My “true” feelings have always been here and stated several times on many of my posts. I will not go after others because as you say, “it is best to take the high road”. It amazes me that you cannot understand me at this point or want to. Hey, that is o.k. But somewhere along the line, your temper is getting the best of you. My friendships are still intact, I still care about people deeply on this site, to include you. NOT saying you don’t, so quite twisting or misreading everything I am saying. I am frustrated to say the least but will bow out but for 2 more “very” important comments. I would appreciate a phone call to me(I won’t get into this with you on a public forum) so that you can explain why you felt I was “petty and self serving”, both words that are NOT in my charactor or make up, and for INSINUATING I would EVER dishoner our American soldiers. I have customers that are soldiers over in Iraq and am a mother of a soldier. You keep talking street in several of your posts, for God’s sake this is NOT the street and THAT is the point I was making. My son and soldier friends KNOW where my loyalites lay and KNOW that I would NEVER dishonor them in any way shape or form. That is an extreme insult on your part and not necessary. You can live with it, I don’t have to. Secondly, as Sara’s friend, I believe you owe her an apology. Take it for what it is worth, but that is my opinion and I am entitled to it. She has my affadavit. Now, I am done with this back and forth stuff. But I am still intact, my charactor stands up for itself, and I have not attacked you back. Good day David.

  • 18 randifeist // Jul 17, 2008 at 11:07 am

    Dear Webmaster; I have been a very, caring, and loyal member of this forum from day one. We all banded together to do our best to stop Joan/Stephanie. I believe with all my heart because of you putting up this site and all the people involved that it has truly made a huge difference in the Rottie world. Recent events have sent tempers flying, and members going after members. Be it known here and now, I will NOT stand back and be attacked by another member for no good reason. It was dirty and it was nasty and totally uncalled for. This members true colors have come out. I do NOT appreciate all the fighting and it is totally counterproductive. I will continue helping behind the scenes but as of today, this will be my last post. I wish all the members the very best and I have not and will not forget you. You all have my prayers as you have had from the beginning. As I said, I will work “behind” the scenes and have never given up. I just don’t play games and nor have I EVER called a member out for inaction OR attacked another member. We banded together, not to tear each other apart. This member lost sight of that. How sad.
    God bless to all, Randi Feist

  • 19 connor // Jul 17, 2008 at 5:03 pm

    For the record; I never said you personally were self serving or petty I said this post was, you may also choose to dismiss me it well within your right to do so, show me one insult? FYI, I am also a VET, enough said . I made a statement of my intent which had nothing to do with insinuations of your intent unless ? well , you figure that one out , I have already said where I stand on that issue. Sorry, this is the street, this type of behavior is exactly how its done out there . You do not stop street behavior by saying” oh please lets not fight” ” Oh why cant we all just get along” ” Oh please be my friend , its Ok to talk behind my back” ” Oh my why is the world so unkind” You fight it head on, fire with fire, you charge at it hard and fast, you attack the issue right then and there, that is street, plain and simple. Maybe you need to re-read what I posted , because my comments were mainly directed at the comment at large. They were answers, not attacks. They were statements of fact or at the very least facts as I see them. I am not trying to understand you personally . I am directing my responces to the post and its contents coupled with the comment made collectivly, its a shame you take all this personally. You did not start this post, now did you? I have no need to tell anyone that I am sorry, period. David Baker

  • 20 admin // Jul 21, 2008 at 8:44 am

    David, after having read this entire set of posts, I do believe that you owe Randi an apology.

    Randi, I value your membership here and hope that you will continue to post and participate.

    -Webmaster

  • 21 randifeist // Jul 21, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    Admin; it is only due to your post to me that I am answering with a return post as I believe you and David are entitled to it. I did reread David’s post but it is very confusing and still upsetting. David’s anger at this person was mentioned so many times in his post, it was hard to separate who he was actually angry at, me or this person but my name was mentioned twice so it felt like both and I certainly took it as such. It was still upsetting to read and absorb. However, when David zeroed in on the comments that I had made about my son, etc, etc, etc. I not only was deeply offended, I was truly hurt as I thought we were also friends as well as members of this site since Dec. of 07. In my opinion, David was striking out at me, Sara, and I believe with all my heart that it was unnecessary. And you bet one will take that personally, how could you not? We are not the enemies per se. By all means have it out with the person you truly are upset with but don’t hurt us in the crossfire. It used to be we could all voice our opinions without hurting others that are members and band together to help each other. And yes, David, I know full well what it takes to solve problems, to hit them head on, why hit us members head on? What did that accomplish? Sorry, I did not want to get into this again and start something all over.

    Anyway, Admin, I do not need an apology from David as I have moved on, nor would I get one, but hopefully Sara will.
    Thank you for your kind words and I pray that David understands where I am coming from and why I don’t want to fight amongst us, just our mission(putting a stop to TVR) in general.
    Randi

  • 22 connor // Jul 21, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    Admin, perhaps just perhaps there are other underlying issues at hand here, perhaps? I am not going to continue validating this post or the comments answered to /on/about the post by entering additional comments, it is pointless. This will be the last I have to say concerning this post or the comments to it. FYI, Randi is 100% correct, I will not offer an apology to anyone concerning this post or my reaction to the above post or the contents of the other members responces to this post. Trust me, when I say that my reactions were tempered and my intentions pure. There are many hidden currents running thru this post, many!! I believe if you knew all that I know you would not have asked that I apologize to anyone either. I am not here to make friends with anyone. I am not here to have someone do anything for me, give me anything or to be liked. I am here due to the behavior of Joan Foote , period. I have invested many , many hours on the phone talking with Sara and Randi. I do not need to justify my reaction to their comments as written under this post. I believe I understand more fully the intent of this post and the comments as made by these members due to the fact I have had a lot of personal interaction with these same members. To see this post, the comments made to it , the contents of the comments and the intent meant by all this, WOW !!! Then my next question would be WHY?? This post was directed at one member , Jan K. I think it is Kenny, Sara and Randi that should be making an apology to Jan K. . This post and most of the comments were hurtful, unfair, unkind and lacking in truth. Did that piss me off, your damn right it did !!! I am not Jan K mouth piece nor her puppet. I have not always agreed with everything that Jan does or her methods choosen to do get things done, however, HOWEVER, I took my feelings directly to her and we talked about it. I expressed what I had been holding back from her. Guess what, we resolved our differences rather than doing so on the world wide web and on a forum founded to stop the injustice of Joan Foote and Stephanie Paulter. We did it as adults should do things. ( grrrr its damn hard to hold my tongue here) Before I continue , I have to ask a “from the heart “question , this is addressed to the members that feel so negative to Jan K. Here it is ” what has she done to hurt you?, how has she not helped you? when was she not there for you?” Sara, if it were not for her , where would Jazz be today and in what condition? Kenny, what right do you have to be commenting like this about Jan K.? What did she directly do to cause harm to you? Randi, why could you not just stay out of this post ? did you have to comment to it? do you not see your commenting only gave it validity? People, we are supposed to be grown people, not a bunch of little kids fighting over “who is in charge of the playground” All of you need to go back a reread my comments to this post, with exception to Admin, the rest of you really need to do some soul searching . For the record (again); I did not “zero” in on anything, I am a veteran of the US Air Force .. “Above All” …so tell me what does that have to do with this web site , its members, its post or comments made to these same posts. I choose to not use my service to this country as a grandstand to make a point, I have no control of the way others write or respond. I was nor am I angry at a “person” per se, I am angry at what this posts and its comments represent. I am angry that other feel they have the right to put words in my mouth or distort the meaning of how I am addressing my feeling about this post and its contents. I am angry that other , knowing what they know have choosen to behave in the manner as represented in this post and the comments made to it. I am angry that grown ass people cannot get their egos put aside to see the whole picture not just what affects them . I am angry to see this forum being used as posturing for self gain. I am angry that people are ganging up on a member that by all accounts has done many good things for so many of our fellow members, all this without personal gain . I am angry that the manner in which this was handled ( or not handled) by a number of my “fellow members” . I am angry that these same members cry foul , this after doing foul in their comments to this post. I am angry about all the dishonestly going on under the “sheets” so to speak by these same members. HMM Yea , I am angry about a whole bunch of shit that has to do with this post and its comments. So please fellow members do me a favor, before you tell me why I am angry, how about asking me first. Trust me I will tell you !! As for this post , stick a fork it it, for me its done. Admin, no disrespect intended to you, if you are curious and need to better understand my reactions to this comment feel free to contact me . David Baker

  • 23 randifeist // Jul 21, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    David; I hate to say you are right but will be the mature one here as I have always been and will be. You are right in saying to me, “why could you not stay out of this post?” I had a gut feeling I should have stayed out but hit the submit button and there you have it. I know full well who all the players are, who said what, etc. etc. etc. Jan knows that I simply do not want any fighting among members and have tried to calm the waters behind the scene to no avail. She can attest to my charactor and that I have never went after her or been derogatory in any way. We just visited recently, so no, I have done nothing to Jan and she is well aware of that. And once again, I better back out of this and close the lid on any further comments from me.

  • 24 Sara Bird // Jul 21, 2008 at 10:48 pm

    I go out of town and once again WOW! David there are absolutly underlying issues here. It is amazing what you have apparently started with a lot of people on this site. I have made friends with many. You are friends with differant members at random times. You drop friendshipips like people change clothes. I have never done anything to Jan. Ever! I have been her friend and thanked her a zillion times for helping with Jazz. You have hated everyone you call friend on this site from week to week. You have ignored and abused friendships from start until now. You took one persons opinion and have twisted and turned every word.

    You have said nice things about Jan since April 1st David, right. You are truly an amazing person. I am absolutly finished with this site. You have absolutly shown no integrity towards are admin,m Randi, Kenny nor myself. You are the one who called me about purchasing another puppy from Jan. I did what you asked. If she is pissed at me than that is WELCOME TO DAVID’S WORLD. I have done nothing!

    Admin…. I am sorry for the unethical way that you, I and numerous people have been treated on these last postings.

    Bravo David…… Looks like Joan Foote has won afterall. Kudos!

  • 25 Sara Bird // Jul 22, 2008 at 12:55 am

    One last comment is definatly needed.

    I owe several people and have given SEVERAL people thanks in regards to Jazz. There were many people that I live by who actually know and care for Cody & I. They were the one’s we new & trusted when the red flags started with Joan Foote & Jazz. There were SEVERAL differant people that we are very close to that were sending us pictures of the conditions of Joan Foot’s property. These people have never posted or joined this site. They have never taken a grandstand on being responsible for the return of Jazz.

    Yes Jan & MANY others agreed to the conditions. I never met Kenny before our trip to Tennesse. Kenny jumped in AFTER there was absolute proof. I received pictures from SEVERAL DIFFERANT PEOPLE! Not one person can jump up and scream that they were responsible for the return of Jazz. Cody and I asked many people from Florida to Tennesse. I have learned to trust many people on this site. Jazz is home becouse of every single person involved. THERE WERE MANY! I am very grateful for every single one of them! Anything else that has been said in BS!

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